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Hi Statira
nice answer.
also it depends on the traslator, and interpretor, and their understanding of that particular Ayah.....

Fulcrum14

Dear Sister AlaviI hope you do understand English, because I understand Farsi but but can not answer in Farsi.You mentioned that we have no way of understanding Quran, or to  comprehend it, I do not agree with you in this point. I will explain.If Allah SWT says He sent Quran in the most comprehendable, Understandable language so people could study (recite) and follow Path, then by what you are saying His claim becomes absolete, second part is that when He revealed the completion of Quran 1400 years ago, there were only 5 people who could read and write, and the rest were illeterate. So question would be, How would Allah Almighty knowing the bae number of all educated in a country or a nation, would send something which is going to be comprehended, by only a few??? Then He would have committed distinction between people he sent it to, and Islam would have been only for a particular group, then the meaning of Quran would have Absolete, in being a global and for all.    So Quran is understandable, and followable if you will by all, as long as you study it as a regular book, meaning you have to have your pencil and paper ready to mark the parts of Quran which work as chain verses in variety of verses, in order to get the whole meaning also if the verse is still commendable. (useful) According to most schollars and research intellectuals in the world of Quranic Sceince, there are some of the so Called ( Getaal Ayat) can not be used in present times.  Examples:1- Stonning Ayat... What is meant in this Ayat is that you make a person ( as the very last resort, when you have accomplished a TRUE Islamic state where everything is according to Quran and there are no social decease available, again meaning that the Hakem of the era, is 100% an Islamic ruller and there are none what so ever possibility that a person could fall into adultry or anything that could force this person in committing the crime) ashamed of what they have committed by throwing stones not larger than pebles at them in a gathering where they are known. This DEATH that Quran Speaks is not a literal death, it is merely a social death. [ if you kill the sinner then you have not fixed the problem, you just took a life who could have been a greater reformer, since they had the map of how not to fall into that particular sin...)2-this Ayat is exactly like the ayat where it say,[ wa gateloo fee sabil ellahe be amwale kom wa anfosekom ] if you take this getaal literal, then you should kill yourself. or if you really try to follow the Hadith of the Holy Prophet when He says; die before you die......( it sounds like a good receipe for a religious suicide) but it is not.So as long as you just like to liston to Quran as a beautiful song or a melodi better than music, or think that you need a fagih or someone ROHANI to read and translate or interpret Quran to you  you wil have  a big problem, never understanding the Quran the way it should be, but if you, pull your sleaves up, get a pencil, a piece of paper, and a HUGE QUESTION MARK in your MIND, to question everything you see and read in Quran, then YOU ARE GETTING IT.But if you keep thinking that our minds can not grasp the Ayat of the Holy Book Quran, then we are in DEEP TROUBLE. anyone can tell you or order to do a thing and put some some arabic name on it, and there you have it a DISASTER.   May the Lord Almighty Allah SWT help us keep our minds clear from any kinds of doubt, fanaticism, blured ideas, and ignorance, inall forms, so we can see the Light of His Guidance, and follow the path toward our salvations. AmenFulcrum14

Dear Katarzyna   "Say: If the ocean were ink for the words of my Lord, the ocean would run out, before the words of my Lord run out, even if we double the ink supply." (18:109)That is the Ayah Mobarakah you are looking for???? but to answer you comment : خوندن قرآن باید برات آرامش به همراه بیاره به جای اینکه سعی کنی توش قافیه پیدا کنی همون آیه ای رو که میخونی بچسب سعی کن معنیش رو توی کل متن درک کنیYou are wrong. Allah SWT says in Quran that:"...He will give them the knowledge of the Book ..." (2:129)<unzur kaifa nusarriful a_ya_ti la'allahum yafqahu_n> "See how We repeat the verses that they may understand." (6:65)<Wa kaza_lika nusarriful a_ya_ti wa liyaqu_lu_ darasta wa linubayyinahu_ liqaumiy ya'lamu_n> "And thus do We repeat the verses and that they may say: You have read; and that We may make it clear to a people who know." (6:108)Indeed We have made the verses distinct for a people who will utilize their understanding." (6:98)and finally but not the least"A Book We have revealed to you abounding in good that they may ponder over its verses, and that those endowed with understanding may be mindful." (38:29)   SO you see you are wrong.....You are supposed to read it as a study book, just like any other book, think about what you read, and try to understand it.به جای اینکه سعی کنی توش قافیه پیدا کنی همون آیه ای رو که میخونی بچسب سعی کن معنیش  so you are supposed to stick to everything that is being said, and examine it, understand it, reflect upon it, and collect enough knowledge to strenghten your faith. Islam without question Marks, is a religion that is been inherited. It is worthless. That is why the First Chapter IN Holy Quran is the Chapter Al AlaqIn the name of Allah The Merciful The beneficent.Proclaim! (or read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who createdCreated man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed bloodProclaim! And thy Lord is Most BountifulHe Who taught (the use of) the pen,- Taught man that which he knew not. ........SADAGALLAH Ali AlaazimSO you see??? Pen? Knowledge? meaning you  can not in any way understand a matter unless you take under questioningیک روز تنت میلرزه از فهم اینکه چی توی دستت بوده یا هست! اینو بهت قول میدمایکاش خودم هر روز بلرزمNo need to shake brother, weather is warm enough....Just let People and those who are interested in Quran or Islam, even a bit, let them ask questions, if you know the answer, then Bis Misllah, if not let someone answer it who knows what he is talking about.   Wasslamo AlaikomFulcrum14

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