راهنمایی لطفا

Dear Mr/Ms. Matin
Dude you need to come around, what are you? an investigator or something? what is it to you where they meet or how long ...that is not the question..
DEEN VA MAZHAB ? that does not sound right..Deen is the religion what is the Mazhab business? Jeez you need a shrink, I think you are a mullah or a mullah minded person.
goofy questions, always have to turn words around to make it more philosophical...man do you have a job?
what do you do? when did you get this job.
are you in touch with your job?
how do you feel about it?
what is your Mazhab? Creed?
Is it clear now? hala shaffaf shod? let me add more oil to it.is is shining now? well you wanted it shining so it is .

Fulcrum14

خانوم کوشش شما دارین فقط یک بعد قضیه را نگاه میکنین در صورتکه یک رابطه ابعاد مختلفی داره شما از کجا میدونین این رابطه چجوریه و در چه حدیه که به ایشون میگی ادامه بده
اول آدم باید نوع رابطه را بشناسه و بدونه طرف واقعا هدفش از این رابطه چیه بعد.....
خلاصه اینکه به نظر من چون مسئله رابطه مسئله مهم و... است باید تمام ابعاد قضیه را بررسی کرد بعد نظر داد و اقدام کرد

نه ایشون فقط به خودشون قول دادن که کلا به هیچ پسری فکر نکنن اما از یه آقایی خوشش اومده که یعد فهمیده دینش فرق میکنه پس اول راهن.
البته صحبتاشون خیلی کوتاه و نامفهومه منم به خاطر همین نظر ندادم و ازشون خواستم که اول ابعاد قضیه را روشن کنن تا بعد ما بتونیم بهتر نظر بدیم.
پس به نظر من منتظر بمونیم خودشون بیان جواب سوالات و ابهاماتا بدن بعدش بحث را ادامه بدیم.

سلام
شاید بهتر بود از همون اول واضح تر توضیح می دادم ولی خب دیگه....
خانومه کوشش جان می شه بگید از چه قرینه ای فهمیدید که من اول راه نیستم؟؟!!!! و بعدشم کدوم راه؟؟ یعنی هر کس به خودش یه قول داد یعنی یه راهی رو تا وسطاش رفته؟ نه ! من ( البته به قول شما) راهی رو شروع نکردم . اینم که به خودم قول دادم منظورم این بوده که فعلا به هدف های مهم ترم فکر کنم ( به مقدسات قسم نخوردم که تا جون دارم عهدم و نشکونم) من توی صحبتای اولیم برای قولم قید زمان و مکان ذکر نکردم و به همین خاطر معنی ( تا این جارو پیش اومدن) شما رو نمی فهمم که اگه بگین ممنون می شم. هر وقتم که بخوام می تونم عهدم و کنار بذارم اما الان هدفم ازدواج نیست. این فرد برام قابل احترامه واز شخصیت این آدم خوشم میاد. به خاطر شخصیتش و حرفایی که می زنه ( در واقع نشون می ده که آدم معتقدی هست) دلم می خواد کمکش کنم مذهب شیعه رو بهتر بشناسه . این فرد اهل سنت هست.
Statira جان شما گفتید خیلی از دخترا به خودشون قول می دن ... ولی از زن جماعت بعیده . یادتون نره شما خودتون
از قید خیلی ها استفاده کردین و این یعنی بعضی ها از این دسته جدا می شن. همیشه استثنا وجود داره.
جناب متین خیر ایشون احساس من و نسبت به خودشون نمی دونن چون همون طوری که گفتم احساس من یه حس عاشقانه نیست ( یا حداقل تا الان این طور نبوده) من توی حرفای قبلی ام هم فقط گفتم ازش خوشم اومده .
سپاس

سلام به روي ماهت.
اينو بخون (جبران خليل جبران)::: سپس جواني گفت :« براي ما از دوستي سخن بگو .»
گفت: دوست تو كسي است كه نياز هايت را برآورده سازد.
او مزرعه توست كه با محبت در آن كشت مي كني و با سپاس حاصل بر مي داري.
او سفره تو و آتش اجاق توست.
زيرا گرسنه به سوي او مي روي و از او گرما مي گيري.
پس چون انديشه خود را با تو در ميان مي گذارد از انديشيدن « نه» در خيال خود واهمه مكن و از بيان «آري» دريغ مدار.
زيرا كوه گرچه بسيار نزديك مي نمايدو لي بسيار دور است .
و همنگامي كه خاموش است و سخني نمي گويد ،دلت را از شنيدن صداي قلبش باز مدار.
دوستي براي بيان انديشه ها و خواهش هايي كه دوستان را در شادي چيدن ميوه هاي دوستي شريك مي كند ، نيازي به كلام و سخن ندارد.
و اگر از دوستت دور شدي غمگين مباش.
زيرا آنچه از همه بيشتر در او درست مي داري شايد در غيبت او در چشم محبت تو روشن تر از هنگام حضورش باشد .
و در دوستي غرضي جز اضافه كردن محبت به عمق وجودتان نداشته باشيد.
زيرا محبتي كه جوياي چيزي جز پرده برداشتن از خودش باشد، عشق نيست ،بلكه دامي است كه در درياي زندگي گسترده مي شود و جز بيهودگي چيزي در آن نمي افتد.
[عزيز دلم ] بهترين چيزي را كه داري به دوستت بده .
و اگر بايد كه نشيب زندگي ات را بشناسد، بگذار كه فرازش را نيز دريابد.
زيرا چگونه دوستي است كه فقط براي گذراندن ساعت هاي معدودي نزد دوستش مي شتابد؟
بي آلايش به سوي دوستي رو كه روزها و شب هايت را زنده مي كند.
زيرا او تنها براي برآوردن نيازهايت است نه باي خالي و خشك كردن و جودت.
ليكن شادي و لذتي كه تقسيم مي شود بالاتر از شيريني دوستي است.
زيرا دل ، سپيده دم اش را در شبنم هاي خرد مي يابد و با آن زندگي مي كند و از آن نيرو مي گيرد.
حالا خانم دوست من يه چيزي بگم ببخشيد وقتي يه نفر به خودش قول و عهدي مي ده ،آيا نبايد به خودش احترام بذاره و روي عهدش وايسه؟ شكستن يا نشكستن براي كلمه عهد و قول بي معناست! اين چه عهدي است كه ممكنه با ميل خودمون بشكنه اگر قراره هر وقت دلت خواس بي خيالش بشي كه عزيز دلم اصلا شما عهدي نبستي!هان؟
راه ؟ كدوم راه؟ چقدر راحت صحبت مي كنيد؟ راه دوستي راه عهد تو الان اسم عهد اووردي پس تو راهي!

سلام
از گفته هاتون ممنون ولی خب من که گفتم منظورم از قولم چی بود. این که فعلا به چیزای مهم تر فکر کنم . من نگفتم به خودم قول دادم که هیچ وقت به هیچ کس فکر نکنم چون اصلا همچین قولی نه درسته و نه به راحتی قابل اجراست. تا حالا پیش نیومده که یه حرفی رو به خودتون بزنید که برای مدتی نیاز به عمل به اون داشته باشید و تا یه مدت خاصی بهش عمل کنید؟ خب این قول منم از همون دسته هست دیگه. حضرت علی (ع) می فرمایند:
لا تعد بما تعجز عن الوفاء به ( به چیزی که از وفای به آن ناتوان باشی وعده مکن)
خب اینم که یه نفر به خودش قول بده که هیچ وقت به هیچ کس فکر نکنه نشدنیه دیگه. بله دوستی یه راهه ولی شما گفتید تا این جا رو پیش اومدم و به خودم و اون فرد قول دادم ولی من بازم نمی فهمم به قول شما تا کجا پیش اومدم؟ چون من این قول و قبل از آشنایی با این فرد و فقط هم به خودم ( برای رسیدن به هدف های مهم تر ( تا رسیدن به اون هدف ها)) دادم.

سلام به روي ماهت . چطوري؟
اگر بخوام غلط املايي بگيرم كه ... بي خيال من تجربه داشتم و از بحث منحرف نشيم با اين كه حالا قول داديم به خودمون يا نه. بي خيال عزيزم، بي خيال.اگر فكر مي كني راهي اومدي علي علي تا بقيش اگرم فكر مي كني نيومدي حسي حسين تا شروعش... من خيلي با خلق و خوي دوستي ايرانيا آشنا نيستم من نظرم رو گفتم شايد من بيش از حد روشن فكرم شايدم اصلا نيستم. نمي دونم هر جور حال مي كني حال كن.
به اون آقايي هم كه گفتن سني واقعي همون شيعه هست ميگم بله من حواسم نبود جا به جا نوشتم شما درست مي گي،؛برادر.
به اميد خداوند متعال موفق باشيد.

سلام انگار کسی نفهمید!! سنی واقعی شیعه است یا برعکس! قذمت کدوم بیشتره سنی یا شیعه یا با هم اومدن!!؟
دستت درد نکنه برادر فولکروم عالیه و لی یه اشکالیم هست که ترجیح می دم در همون بحث اصلی که اولین پیامتون رو دادید بگم..
مرسی.

کتاب ،سنت ،اجماع و عقل
شیعیان واقعی همان اهل سنت هستند که نامشان گرفته شده.
به امید اینکه به جایی برسیم که هر کس مطلبی را گشود همان مطلب را خود ببندد.
والسلام.

سلام
کتاب اهل سنت واقعی جلد اول از دکتر تیجانی می گه اهل سنت واقعی همون شیعیان هستند که به سنت پیغمبر عمل کردند
چه بنویسیم شیعه ی وا قعی همون اهل سنته (که نامش گرفته شده) و چه بنویسیم اهل سنت واقعی همان شیعه است به نظرم به اصل مشترکی می رسیم...

سلام
تشکر از معرفی کتاب. سی دی شم هست راحت تره.

سلام
تا او نجایی که یادمه من نه از هدایت صحبت کردم و نه از ازدواج، من گفتم دوست دارم کمکش کنم تا مذهب شیعه رو بهتر بشناسه . بله خدا به وضوح گفته : «لیس علیک هدائهم ولکن الله یهدی من یشاء » من از شرک و مشرک صحبت نکردم صحبت من از یه مسلمونه که شاید خیلی بهتر از من شیعه باشه ، اما این تصمیم منه که مذهب شیعه رو بهتر از این تصوری که داره بشناسه و بعد از این که بهتر شناخت خودش می تونه تصمیم بگیره من نخواستم به زور کسی رو وادار به انجام کاری کنم.
ثابروا علی صلاح المؤمنین والمتّقین
البته با در نظر گرفتن : إن سمت همتک لإصلاح الناس ، فابدأ بنفسک فإنّ تعاطیک صلاح غیرک و أنت فاسد أکبر العیب

شما اگه خودتون قرآنو بخونید میبینید که به وضوح گفته هدایت مردم فقط مال خداست و ولو برای کسی بسیار متاسف باشی و بخوای هدایتش کنی اینکار فقط به اذن و خواست خداست و حتی پیامبرها هم اینو میپذیرفتن ،مثل نوح علیه السلام که بهش گفته شد پسرت از اهلت نیست ، یا مثل ابراهیم علیه السلام که برای قوم لوط خواست واسطه بشه و جواب گرفت که آنها رو عذاب در بر خواهد گرفت.
میدونم که از مسیحی های حالا خیلی ها مشرکن به معنای واقعی به تثلیث اعتقاد دارن و تثلیث کفر بعد از ایمان هست ،سه تایی پسر پدر و روح القدس همون تثلیث هست. مرد به وضوح با زن غیر مشرک از اهل کتاب میتونه ازدواج کنه به شرط اینکه مهر اون رو بده. ولی چطور میشه با یه گمراه آنطور که خودت میگی ازدواج کنی در حالیکه ازدواج با مشرکان ممنوعه؟ نظرات منو به عنوان احکام نپذیر فقط بدون که جوابت رو توی قرآن پیدا میکنی ، ما در طول عمرمون دهها یا حتی صدها کتاب میخونیم،و بسیاریش رو حتی امتحان میدیم.چرا از خوندن و فهمیدن یدونه کتاب سرباز میرنیم و همه راهی رو میریم تا خودمون نخونیم؟

امیدوارم از صحبتای قبلیم بتونید نظر بدید چون واقعا بیشتر ازاین نمی دونم چی بگم. در واقع من نظرات خودمو گفتم ولی از نظرات اون فرد صحبت نکردم چون شاید چیزی بگم که از واقعیت فاصله داشته باشه یا اون فرد گفتن اینارو دوست نداشته باشه. اگر هم به نتیجه ای نریسیدید زیاد خودتون و درگیرش نکنید. شاید من موضوع رو پیچیده کردم در واقع از اول هم تصمیمم این بود که با توجه به قولم فقط بهش کمک کنم ولی گفتم شاید راه بهتری باشه چون در واقع بیشتر گیر کار من اینه که چه طوری بخوام تو این زمینه یه نفر و راهنمایی کنم چون شاید از نظر دیگران اصلا مذهب ، دین یا هر چیز دیگه ی دیگران به من مربوط نباشه..

Fulcrum14Dear Mart,
I do hope you understand English, because my Farsi is not that good anyways, but lets talk,

Please accept these words as if I was your elder brother, and of course I am not here to tell you what is best for you in this matter, or even God forbid thinking that I can do better if I was in your situation. ( Actually I have been there, and trully it is a great company when you meet someone who does actually open your eyes to different horizons...but just somethings came to mind that I had to share it with you, and now it is up to you to read and ponder on them or disregard, either way I am happy to see you are an intelligent and sharp person...well here it goes.

Human is alike lone walkers on cross-roads of life. You will meet people as they cross path with you and you are going to meet even more of them as you grow within this parallels of life. As member of this universe or citizen of this world surrounding us, we all have that attraction toward those who see the person within us, and thus allowing us to see ourselves in a better spotlight, and with a widened horizon if you will. I am writing this for I have been there and have seen the glory of those special moments when you meet that person, and there is something different and more interesting if you will, in conversations. There is this formula of; give and take, and learn and share.
It is all good so far, Then you mentioned something in cloak of whether or not in future this may take a different turn, in approach by you towards him...and that is why most of the respected posters, came up with answers like soap operas and honestly turned into Oprah or Dr. Phil Show in USA, where there is a person in need of an honest opinion and here comes the whole nation with guide lights and directions and what not, to psychoanalize and patronize and justify their own short-comes.

You see Mart, it all comes back to our past experiences with those of whom we have had our years spent. SOmetimes we are born in a family where excitments ( learning new stuff, interaction with our parents, with our siblings, school friends, buddies and sometime it is vise versa) may have left a mark on our soul, so when we meet new people their type of approach can trigger that feeling of admirasion as it reminds me of a piece I saw as a poem once by a person named Tanaka...

" You are so sophisticated
Your touch has me elated
In my mind thoughts of you have invaded
Because you are a mystery

You leave my heart earnestly yearning
Patience and peace is what I’m learning
I can feel my life slowing turning
Towards your spirituality

You have this way that inspires and uplifts
Hear my heart gears as they rapidly shifts
Being in your presence is the ultimate gift
Because you breathe life abundantly "

........

So feeling good with another person who does things which inspires and triggers your sense of respect towrds them is an everlasting joy.

But what made me write to you?
Well with your intelligence and understanding, as I can see and admire your sense of sharpeness and to the point, I found a piece in your post which made me ask you this qestion, if you kindly don't mind.

You mentioned You wanted to guide him upon the rightful path, and help learn more about Shia Path, and expressed a kind of state of urgency. **دلم می خواد کمکش کنم مذهب شیعه رو بهتر بشناسه . این فرد اهل سنت هست
May I say that Islam is Islam, and people believe in It are called all Muslims? I do Acknowledge that there is a reality and truth behind the Name Islam, but if we say we are Muslims then we are Muslims and that is it. Now if we face the reality then we are forced into accepting the schools of thoughts be it Sunnah or Shia. Lets justify and analize this matter, from the eyes of both Ahle Sunnah and Ahle Shia.

According to the teachings of various Sunnah Ulema, Shias are in a wrongful path, since it is turned into a circus of lots of goofy deeds and no actions supporting their desired and taught ideologies, if we mean by this Teachings of our Holy Imams (Ahle Bait e Nabi, Salam Allah e Alaihem Ajma'een). Let me explain.
According To Quran; There is one mention of the Word Shia, and that is to remind us of Shia'at e Ebrahim AS)
According to our Rightful Imams ( Ahle Bait e Rasoul Allah SAWA) Shias are supposed to be the exact copies of their beings, meaning Copycat of their Behaviors, Attitudes, Honesty, Manner, ....all and all we must follow their foot steps one by one exactly and carefully and up to the point.

According to Imam Jafar Sadiq (SA) in defining His shias; Our Shias are like the rays of the sun, ( same material, same source, same color, same warmth,....) here Imam (AS) describes himself ( themselves{Imams}) as Sun and their Shias as the rays of that sun. Meaning in definition The RAY and The Source are Almost the same. One is shining and is the source of light, and the Other, extends that light and shining and spreads. One is The SOURCCE & The OTHER the Extension.

Now that was the TRUTH behind Islam.

Lets Look at the reality of it, as we witness everywhere. Shia at this moment of time, history and era, is not anything even least close to the meaning mentioned above.

Shias have mostlly become followers of others and have sadly forgotten the true path of Ahlel Bait (SA). {{{We have stopped asking to learn How did Imams (AS) lived their lives, we are bussied with how tragic they died, and this is actally a good news for the mullahs, this is where money is) You will hardly find a mullah discuss Imam Jafar Sadeq's knowledge, His university or even His Holy Father's (Imam Mohammad Baghers AS) University, or other Imams who were extremly knowledgable sceintists, and schollars, and we just agree with what they say about Imams. They have become someone from outer space, and their Ladies Wonderwomen of their era, who possesed super natural energies, cutting through time and space..... ( eventhough if they were, and did, it was and is not the way it is spoken about) Imam Jafar Sadeq (AS) was one of the Imams who openly discussed formulas of Plato, Socratis, and ...and he is the one who refuted the Platos earlier idea of Atom being a single entitiy, adn explained in full how it is collection of entities....but we only know home remedied ahadis bearing his Holy Name (AS), when it is only regarding about home built imams ( numbers over a million) of city of Ray as in dont die without knowing your imam, refering to some ayatollah wanting to collect before you passed on.)

We have given up the need to learn bout religion, and in case we do read, we find ourselves in a web of homemade remedy books of sheikhs and ayatollahs. ( Mind you, and Ayatollah means a Sign of Allah, having said that, everysingle thing you see is created by Allah SWT, is an Ayatollah, so is my neighbors cat, but you would not call that Ayatollah Cat would you? because this ayatollah is a business name, he is Rohani (The Spiritual One )while you are not, that means he is selling the religion for the best price, offered in the market, You pay good every month of Muharram the Story of karbala becomes more bloody and tragic, otherwise Haj Agha Got a phone call and needed somewhere urgently...try it for yourself ) any ways so The Quran is sent up to the shelves for thursday nights, and graveyards, ...and reading it as a regular study book ( as Quran emphasizes strongly about it, that we have to read and study it as it should be read adn studied like a regular study book, and familiarize ourselves with laws, forms, terms, meanings, timetables, events, examples, oximorans within it, proverbs, and fianlly but not the least the true meaning behind verses......) has become forbidden since according to shiekhs of the time we cannot understand it and it is them who need to read it for us.....( ( which reminds me of pointing out a fact: If Quran was so difficult to understand then why did God sent it so, knowing well that there were only five literate men and women in whole arabian peninsula who could read and write and the Holy Prophet (SAWA) was not one of them. If He knew (ALLAH) that to understand it you need a third person to interpret the Ayat, then the Ayah which mentions Quran as { Quranun Mobin} becomes absolete. Now if a person decides that he wants to go deeper in the sceince of Quranic phylosophy, or [ Ulum el Erfaan] then he can and it is up to him to chose the rightful School taught by the rightful teacher, but regular people, according to Quran ( Allah & His Holy Prophet and Ahle Baite Nabi Salam Allah e Alaihem Ajmaeen) every one has to become their own ref regarding religious matters, actually following a Marjaa is an optional matter, which in itself is against the true teachings of Islam to follow someone blindfolded. ( In true Islam, there is an Imam (AS)( from the Ahlel Bait, which in our case is the Last Imam SA, and then according to his orders and instructions as in other Imams before Him (AS),there is a Person fully comprehended and graduated from His (AS) school of Thought to observe, teach, and spread the knowledge freely and without a charge, and that according strictly to the Sunnah and teachings of the Holy Prophet and or Imam (AS). So you see we have come away from its true path.

we have chosen to follow a Marja..even not one, but many and they differ from one to another( Marja'a as we know now is a name became popular after 1840s after ayatollah najafi's move to Holy City of Najaf and then the acknowledgment of school of thought In Holy City of Qom) it is all fine, until it became just a shopping center for selling religion just like Sunnis in their countries and Mosques and finally a cloak disguising lots of fake medicine men. ( with all due respect to those of exceptional honest, with integrity and truthful Schollars of Islam)

So you want to make the man understand Shiaism? ( TashaYYo') Cool, but one problem. If you want to make him understand this path of life then you should introduce him to Our Imams (AS). and there are only 12 of them. Now days the number passed the 100000000000 that is why they say; If there are two or more cooks in the kitchen the food is not worth eating.

Shia is a Militant wing of Islam, a group of selective and collective people who follow Sunnah of Allah, His Prophets, His last Prophet and The Holy Prophet's Ahlel Bait, meaning the leadership Of Imam Ali Ibn Abitaleb, and there after, Imam Hassan, Imam Hussein, Imam Ali Ibn Hussein, ,,,,,up to the Last of them 12th Imam Zamanena Hojjat Al Muhammad ( Salam Allahe Alaihem Ajma'een) by this meaning followers of the Holy Prophet and Imams (AS) step by step exactly. That is a Shia. there is a greater explanation of this very matter, in the books of Late Martyr Dr. Shariati and Martyr Dr. Motahhari....Shia Safavi and Shia Alavi.

Islam needs no interpretation better than understanding, comprehending the doings of Holy Prophet and Imams AS. Look at their lives...how did they live, by what rules, how did they treat each other, and others....

( not according to allama Majlisi or so and so ayatollah, but go read in libraries, from different authors, there are much great Muslim and non muslim and christian authors writing about our Imams with facts and truth than our own ayatollahs. Our Imams (AS) have become supermans and their Ladies Wonderwomen, someone from outer space, jumping through time and spaces, ( read some of the books attributed to our Imams (AS) you will grow horn on your forehead. They have made them into aliens with turban and cloak refering to now days ayatollahs and how we have to respect them, since they are wearing some foreign cultural arabic garments, and to question them you are questioning The Holy Phrophet (SAWA), bunch of old catholic school garbage.

Now talk about Ahle Sunnah. their Imams ( Imam Hanbal, Shafe', Malik, Hanaf) were all students of Imam Ali Ibn Abitalib (AS) or Imam Jafar Sadeq's (AS) Teachings. They never had anything to do with enemities created against Shia of Ahlel Bait. It is some of their students like ibn tamiyya (LA) ***Taqi ad-Din Ahmad ibn Taymiyyah (January 22, 1263 – 1328), full name: Taqī ad-Dīn Abu 'l-ʿAbbās Ahmad ibn ʿAbd al-Ḥalīm ibn ʿAbd as-Salām Ibn Taymiya al-Ḥarrānī (Arabic: تقي الدين أبو العباس أحمد بن عبد السلام بن عبد الله ابن تيمية الحراني‎), was a famous Muslim scholar born in Harran, located in what is now Turkey, close to the Syrian border. He lived during the troubled times of the Mongol invasions. As a member of the school founded by Ibn Hanbal, he sought the return of Islam to its sources, the Qur'an and the Sunnah.***

who created creeds out of true religion. ( Wahhabis and taliban their paramilitary wing is the only followers of this man)Actually there was no talk of Sunni or shia, in their time. It was only the battle of bani omayyah (LA) and later bani abbas (LA) (very much like the present regime in Iran, who would stop at nothing to ensure their grip on power and rulling, including torture of the oponents, killing of oposition thinkers, killings of youth, hanging people from gates of the cities, cutting and dis-membering oponents, torture, exactly copy cats of that filthy dynasty, unfortunately) they had the choice to accept the true Islam or accept the religion of the regime. ...and so people allowed the creation of omayyid adn abassid regimes and there of the neo ahle sunnah were born. with deep enemity towards shia, calling them salafis.

Up to the modern times as of salahoddin ayyobi (LA)they killed whatever and who ever they found beleived in Shia ideology, and salahoddin has his share of bloodshed of shias.

But our differences, well according to variety of schollars, TRUE Ahle Sunnah and Shias are the same, actually there is a schollar called Dr. Tijani in his book ** Shia, The true followers of sunnah*** explores further into most of these debates.

so... anyways,

As Allah Says in Holy Quran: Inna Akramakum Ind Allah e Atghakom*** meaning the one is closer to Allah who's Virtue is Higher.....Now you are to tell me that your Virtue is higher than that of his???
I hope you did not say yes.

I hope you will follow up your higher education since If you are a Muslim Lady, then you know that, letting go higher education is against the first Chapter of Holy Quran, **the very first chapter ever revealed to the Holy Prophet os Islam SAWA is Surah Alaq,
when Allah emphasizes strongly on gaining knowledge when He says:
In the Name of Allah The Most Merciful, The Beneficent:......Receite in the Name of Thy Lord Who Created, Created menkind from piece of clot ( a frozen shape of a bloodclot (Alaq) ,....and He introduced the Pen to mankind , and Taught him what he knew not.......

Actually came in my mind, if you don't mind me sharing it with you, Why don't you give a copy of Nahjol Balagha, or books of rights written by by Imam Ali ibn Hussein ( he explains what rules does a man need to even be called a shia. It is the last pages of Sahifa Sajjadiah. Good luck.

Lots of Prayers for your ever more success in Life.

DASTE ALI BE HAMRAT and I hope LADY Fatimah will take you in her prayers and we will all witness your happiness forever, and become more joyous.

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Fulcrum14

با سلام خدمت همه دوستان
خانوم mart از توضیحاتتون تشکر میکنم

اینکه شما به خودت قول میدی بعضی کارا را انجام ندی اقدام مناسبیه و جای تحسین داره
اینکه شما از شخصیت یه نفر خوشت بیاد یا از حرفاش و خودش خوشت بیاد و... این اصلا مشکلی نداره.
اینکه آدم بخواد با یکی رابطه داشته باشه یا بهش فکر کنه مشکلی نداره (البته بستگی داره این رابطه چجوری باشه در چه حدی باشه بر چه اساسی باشه و....)

من نظرم اینه که اگه واقعا شما هیچ وابستگی به ایشون ندارین و هدفتون از این رابطه احساسی و عاشقانه و..... نیست و اگه انقدر به خودتون اطمینان دارین که گرفتار عواقب ناگوار رابطه نمیشین و این رابطه یه رابطه سالم و منطقی خواهد بود هیج مشکلی نداره که باهاش رابطه داشته باشین .
پس کاملا منطقی و بادرایت با مسئله برخورد کنین و یه رابطه سالم و منطقی را باهاش شروع کنین و در شناساندن مذهب تشیع بهشون اقدام کنین تا به قول خودتون ازاین گمراهی بیاد بیرون و راه درست و پیدا کنه.
اما به قول خانوم statira ، مطالعاتتونو واسه صحبت با ایشون در زمینه مذهبمون بیشتر کنین.
و به قول خانوم kushesh قضيه خدايي نكرده مثل اون دانشمنده نشه و ما ببینیم شما سنی شده باشین.

اما اما اما ... اگه این رابطه بخواد خارج از چارچوب و منطق باشه و به سمت احساسات کشیده بشه و ... مطمئنا براتون مضرات زیادی خواهد داشت.
پس مواظب باشید.

اما نظر من بر عکسه. اهل سنت واقعی یعنی همون شیعه!

Dear Mart.
We live in a free world, meaning everyone is entitled to his or her opinion(s) but if this a subject you want to discuss about but offered as an opinion, I do not agree with a single bit.
You see When You Say Ahle Sunnah and then refer to Shia, you still show the fact that you believe in fractions within a religion and Fractions are cursed by Allah SWT. Having said that you refer to Ahle Sunnah with in these fractions as a the best of Shia. Well there are some major obstacles here.
As I said before there are no Sunni or Shia Within the Islam, Islam is a path of life, whether you choose it as is or differ yourself as a sunni or shia.and here comes the best Hadis of The Holy Prphet that: out of 72 or some number there, it is only one of who will win the Heavens. (who is right).
Now back to your fractionising table here, if you take ahle sunni ***meaning people who chose a fraction (Hezb) calling themselves separate from the Ummah of the Prophet then You are WRONG. Why:
Because;
1-People who chose sides after the demise of the Prophet, against Imam Ali's rightful Khelafah, (remember Ghadir day events, it is even spoken about in Sunni books of Sahih Bokhari and others)then you are supporting a mutinity that took place agianst the will of Prophet meaning Allah SWT. Lets not forget, the crimes which followed against THE Ahle Bait Nabi SAWA, due to lack of leadership within Abu Bakar and Omar and Osman. khelaf. If you remember they used Imam Ali's Islamic, knowledge, when they hit the wall, (just refer to all the historical documents left behind from those times,) and if you really study deeper you will find that Mo'avia (LA) was a cousine of Osman the Omavi who finally succeeded in Imam Ali's assasination, and that while he was praying. For in reality they had no document whatso ever to condemn Imam Ali of any wrong doing, so they had to kill him when his back was to them.
as of Omar, you will get to know him if you study the Nahjol Balagha. so it is the same with aby bakar.
You see you can be a great Sahabah, or a follower but not neccessarily a capable leader.After All it was only Imam Ali who grew up in the bossom of Islam and as His only belief system, the rest of the Sahabi entered it after their dilemas with previous religions they belonged to.
So to Say true Shias are the same as true followers of Sunnah e Rasoul Salam Allah Alaihe wa Alehe Wa salam, is correct while saying ahle sunnah are the true shias, can not be true.
Now I undersatnd, that in a Sunni society they are more observant than any so called Shia society, take it from their open Mosque doors 24-7 to praying jama'at every single day campared to so called shia society, and their so called hard islamic struggles are much obvious than the so called shia one. Example you will be much more respected and helped in a sunni masjid much better than a shia mosque. but lets not forget, that due to their support of ANTI -SHIA movement, they have to be, and then again SHAME ON THOSE SO CALLED MULLAH, ayatollahs AND IMAM JAMA'ATs ONES WHO SHOW UP ONLY ON FRIDAYS AND THAT is only FOR COLLECTIONS OF MORE MONEY, or maybe finding a new temporary wife, but here we are facing two main enemies, both agianst Islam.

A True Shia according to ALL IMAMS (SAA) ARE CONDEMNED TO A LONELY LIVES.
How so????
well for the Starters; first as I have explained shortly before, A TRUE SHIA (May Allah SWT Bless them and safe Guard them) are the TURE followers of the Ahle Baite NAbi (SA) so you will never find them as exibitionist msulims.if you look closely you will notice them by their deed (actions) and word the same. Meaning their HEARTS and MINDS are the same. We are facing nations of exibitionism who try to put down others to justify their own wrong doings. Look at the regime in Iran, every thing is islamic color EXCEPT THE HEARTS AND SOUL. Beards are fine, but the ultra orthodox jews have longer ones, that does not make them muslims does it, yet their unity within their society is great, while our so called islamic regime, KILLS HIS OWN> SO SHAME ON THEM>.
Back to our discussion aways from these wolves in disguise, :
IF YOU REALLY WANT TO BE A GREAT MUSLIM THEN YOU NEED TO CLEAR THE WORD ( i ) FROM YOU VOCABULARY, JUST LIKE THE HOLY PROPHET AND HIS HOLY FAMILY AND HIS HOLY FOLLOWERS (SAA).
For keeping [ I ] alive within your talks you build that wall which will separate you from the rest for good. while getting rid of it, makes you JUST LIKE THE PROPHET AND AHLEL BAIT,(SAA) you become one with the UMMAH of Holy Prophet. so just as in that moment when they went to visit the Holy prophet in his mosque they could not find him, BECAUSE HE WAS WEARING SITTING, BEING, ....LIKE THE REST OF THOSE INTERESTED IN HIM. Dont be afraid go READ>
You will SEE the difference and you will be HAPPY. TRUST ME.in the NAME of Allah.SWT.

So finally lets all become those rays of BEACONS of LIGHT, shone through Holy beings of IMAMS SAA. lets become all the same light. Just like that butterfly, becoming the light within its essence of lightbeing.Lets accept, the fact that fractions and naming ourselves after some goofy grouplets under the name os Islam makes us GUILTY AS HELL in the Sight Of God.

This great Name, The Membeship and invitation to join this FORGOTTEN Umma, A name which is our inheritence from The Holy Prophet and His Ahlel Bait, we are responsible.

Lets make these so called shiekhs, ayaatollahs or whatever they rank with, by becoming responsible followers of the Holy Prophet and His Ahlel Bait, and His great Followers and Sahabah Peace be upon all of them, to or give up those goofy looking cloaks and become part of this GREAT UMMAH truthfully or be condemned by the LAST of THEM ALL IMAM E ZAMANENAH. May Allah Make his appreance soon, safe, and fast. Inshalllah.
( I have reserved a front lodge seat, to watch their heads role, as He appears and takes their cases one by one, and deals with them swiftly a the true dealing.) :)

Fulcrum14

سلام
منظورتون از این طور روابط یعنی چی؟ می شه لطفا واضح تر بگید که کجا دین ما روابط بین مذهب ها رو ممنوع می دونه؟

Dear Vitama 3000.
Dude you killing me.
به نظر من اگه دین و مذهب برات ارزش داره بیخیالش شو-چون در دین ما اینطور روابط ممنوعه

Why dont you just draw a great wall in every city to separate man and woman. So no one will ever see a desired face. and see who is talking:

YOU TALKING LIKE THIS WITH A RED WREATH IN THE SHAPE OF HEART AND ROSE AS YOUR ICON, I think you should advertise for something else, instead of talking DEEN AND MAZHAB.

You are accusing her of a wrongdoing, which one? Talking to others? How do you think People MEET??? Duhhh

در دین ما اینطور روابط ممنوعه

which Rabeteh are you talking about? did she say she is sleeping with him? or you just think that, since your brains are caught up between your RED HEART AND ROSE???

You have accused a Chast lady of a wrong doing, actually according to Quran That is FORBIDDEN and you should be punished........

Explain to me this:
DEEN IS THE ISLAM, A PATH OF LIFE, WHAT THE HELL IS MAZHAB???
Mr RED Heart and Rose Flower.

I even have a better suggestion:
Why dont you become a ayyatollah or whatever is the upgaded version in 2009 and after? so you can sit there with your RED HEART AND ROSE and pass Fatwas, (judgments)

People like you, always responsible for these goofy name like MAZAAHEB

So what is your Mazhab and Religion?
Does it allow men talk and look at woman and do whatever they want BUT WOMAN SHOULD NOT LOOK. SHE SHOULD ASK PERMISSION OF OF HER GOOFBALL HUSBANDS TO ALLOW THEM GO TO A SHOPPING MALL, WHILE THEIR GOOFBALL HUSBANDS RUN THE STREETS, AND LOOK AT THE WOMEN, AND GIRLS, AND IT IS OK.

ACCORDING TO YOUR MAZHAB's ayatollahs, you can even take a temp.wife without your actual wife knowing, or do you like children, when they allow you to marry a new born as long as you dont have intercourse, LOOK INTO THOSE FILTHY BOOKS OF { MESBAHO SSALEHIN - under the chapter GAWAE'EDE L AGD (laws of marriage) or those books which these kind of filth get permitted. where they dont even support the idea of treating a woman as a human, but as a CARGO (kaalaa) so Mr vitama 3000 or viagra 5000 with RED HEART AND ROSE. [ hmmmmm...let me guess you belong to one of these goofy organizations, a run away from one of these filthy arabian countries and now turned a sebah or basij militia, who dont allow people to vote according to their rights, they should follow you or you will come back at night and smash their car wind shields and or even more according to your MAZHAB whatever that is, break down their doors at night and teach them the real MAZHAB, it sounds like you, so you can also see women of the house in stress.....yea I can see you in that picture.....

You did not like the post (talk) did you???? so I suggest you learn to talk with RESPECT (if you know what it is ) , and hear us talking back RESPECTFULLY.

Fulcrum14

آقا من جدا کم آوردم جلوی این همه صاحب نظر در مورد کلمه مقدس love خصوصا اینکه یکی از اونا میتونه فارسی بخونه و انگلسی بنویسه و این یک معجزست که فقط میتوان به مترجم گوگل نسبت داد. خلاصه خیلی حال کردم وقتی دیدم این همه loveشناس و love پرداز در این سایت عضو هستند

سلام
ولی بعضیا... یه چیزیشون میشه... شاید صداقت کمی گم شد ...